Panty checks! Papers at the bathroom door!

No. Nothing is going to allow panty checks, or violate the Fourth Amendment (which doesn’t even apply), or require papers at the bathroom door! The ‘gender identity’ legislation we are talking about, and have cited to, is relevant to civil rights causes of action fordiscrimination.

In most states it is not a crime, or even a statutory violation, to enter the bathroom designated for the sex opposite one’s own. This will not change.

No one can stop you from using whatever sex-segregated facility you want. We are simply arguing that no one should have an actionable right in court to claim that ‘gender identity’ discrimination trumps sex in sex-segregated spaces without some serious gating on the definition of ‘gender identity.’


  1. Elizabeth, you bad, bad girl! You know, you probably just broke some guy’s heart who was really looking forward to a panty check! LOL

    Seriously, though, I was reading elsewhere in which it was claimed that you and Cathy sent the UN a letter denying the rights of transsexuals, basically insisting they’re not women. I’ve read your letter, several times, and although I’m not a lawyer, I didn’t see that position in the text. Instead, I saw that you accepted those who are actually transitioning into women’s spaces. Sigh, and those within the transgender community wonder why women of transsexual history want to stay away from all of this B.S. We get crap from multiple sides, the religious right, who considers us an abomination, violating God’s law and the transgenders who want to use us for their own political ends. Out of the one side of their mouth they want to use our medical situations as evidence of the need for all transgenders to access women only spaces, but at the same time, they complain against and show contempt for post-ops, saying surgery was unnecessary for me, so I don’t think you should be able to do it either. No amount of surgery will make you a “real” woman. They bitch about post-transsexuals leaving the transgender “community.” Feminists and the “women born women” crowd will never accept you! No matter what you claim about yourself, you are transgender, and will be that way forever, and on and on.

    Well, 1st of all, women born transsexual, were always women and never men, with respect to their brain wiring. So in that sense, they are definitely women born women. Do all women accept them as women, no. Yes, there are women who don’t accept the concept of brain sex, as I believe they fear it’s just another tool for men to justify male superiority. However, many of those same women go on to refer to this or that as “male thinking” or “male karma,” which is a bit ironic, don’t you think, for someone claiming brain sex doesn’t exist. The life of a transsexual forces them to face something the majority of the world doesn’t see, including obviously most transgenders. The existence of brain sex doesn’t have anything to do with what society deems as appropriate attire or roles for either sex. Those things are social constructs to me, and are used to enforce the status quo and present power structures. Brain sex more fundamentally affects how one looks at the world and with which sex they fit in with. Clothing, jobs, skills, have nothing to do with it.

    I digress. Yes some feminists dislike, even hate, transsexuals or post-transsexuals. I’ve read some of their posts here and there, and they can be cold and cruel, but they’re reacting to the abuses of a male-centric society, and sadly women born transsexual get hit in the cross-fire. I can only say that I’m thankful that most women don’t take that position. Yes women born transsexual are excluded from some women born women site and groups, and I’d be lying if I said it didn’t hurt, because it does. Yes, indeed, most women born transsexual did not grow up as women, and when I’m in conversations with other women making reference to this experience or that experience I didn’t have, I listen empathetically and learn. This is a time, I believe for me to learn and be silent. I’ve also been able to share my own experiences, trials, sufferings, and successes, as I’ve found much more commonality with other women than differences, far more than I ever had with any man.

    I’m wandering a bit here, and for that, I apologize. I will close by simply saying that I will stand with other women, for that is what I am and with whom I relate. Does every other woman accept me? No, but then again, some women exclude those who are lesbian or straight, married or single, have had a baby or haven’t, works for a living or decides to stay at home, etc, etc. I choose to love and respect everyone equally, and if someone doesn’t like me, I’ll give them their space to go their way, but will also welcome them into my life if they change their mind or need help, for I will stand with other women. I never was transgender, but just passing by. They are male, wishing to appear as women and sometimes socially live as women, whereas I always was a woman, who simply corrected her anatomy. So, back to the UN letter, I thought it was fair and balanced, and in regards to the panty check comment, you are perfectly correct that people can already use the bathroom of choice, you just can press charges for being a guy in a women’s restroom.

  2. All these “brain sex” babbling. Where is the real proof for it??

  3. LeeAlani, that was well said!

  4. LeeAlani · ·

    Excellent question, Tixel. Presently I’m at home and just got up, so I don’t have a list of research articles in front of me, but I did have two listed on my iPad. You might find them for free online, if you’re interested in reading them, and I’d be more than happy to email them to you. The 1st is entitled “Androgen Recepter Length Polymorphism Associated ith Male to Femal Transsexualism” by Lauren Hare, et. al., published in 2000 in the journal of Bio. spy., vol 65, pages 93-96. The 2nd is “Male to Female Transsexuals Have Female Neuron Numbers in a Limbic Nucleus” by Frank P.M. Kruijver, et. al. in the journal of Clinc. Endo & Met., vol. 85, no. 5, pgs. 2034-2041, year 2000. There’s quite a bit of research on the subject, actually. In the 1950’s a psychologist proposed that there was no such thing as brain sex, that sex identity was purely social influence. He tested this theory, by conducting a sex change on a new born male, who had his genitals damaged during delivery. He claimed that the child happily accepted being a female, and this was the standard belief in the medical field until the 1970s, by which point other reseachers doing follow-up found his patients had actually rejected their reassignment, in spite of the fact they were unaware this was ever done to them. Much, much more research has been done in the past 30 years, and there’s excellent evidence of brain sex for animals and good evidence for humans. However, this topic rings political alarms in the minds of some, assuming that such differences, if real, means somehow men can use this to keep women in a separate and inferior role. But brain sex, if real, doesn’t mean men can do this, women that, men will like this, women that. Women are every bit the equal of men. Anyway, I’ll close by saying that 10 years ago I was diagnosed with Hurthle Cell cancer. It’s a rare form of aggressive thyroid cancer. When I was found to have it, I searched and searched for information on it, and found almost nothing, and no one knows what causes it. There’s definitely more research on brain gender than on the cancer I had, but because the cancer left a visible lump in my neck, no one denies it’s reality. When it comes to behavior and brain chemistry, people all of the sudden conclude that since they can’t see it, it isn’t real. Personally, based upon everything I’ve read to date, I believe brain sex is real, and it might be due to a complex interaction of genetic, prenatal, and environmental effects. Likewise, I believe people are born with sexual orientation and that people don’t just wake up one day and say, hmmm, I decided I will be straight or gay or lesbian or bisexual. Yet, because some think it to be “sin” or it goes against their view of how the world should be, they insist it’s just a choice. Well, there’s certainly no absolute proof either way, although medical research is pointing to the position that it is biological in origin. Well, I gotta get ready for work. So, Tixel, if you’re interested in the topic, I would be more than happy to pass along what I’ve personally found in the literature, and once again, thank you so much for expressing your question and doubt regarding brain sex. I do hope you have a wonderful day!!! LeeAlani

  5. LeeAlani · ·

    Sorry, the Lauren article was published in 2009. My iPad doesn’t let one keep multiple windows open simultaneously, which makes it really hard for me to flip back and forth. Once again, if you happen to be interested I’d be happy to provide you copies, as well as additional references for your review. 🙂

  6. Hi, all. Thanks for these great comments! I want to say that I don’t think it really matters WHY someone feels that they’re transsexual, only that they are seeking medical interventions to alter their sex. At least from a legal standpoint, that’s all that matters. As such, I’d rather not get into *that* debate on *this* blog. I hope you understand! To me, it’s kind of like debating the origins of the universe or something. 😉

  7. LeeAlani · ·

    Well stated, Elizabeth! Thank you! 🙂

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